I talk with Dr. Kevin Conners about natural, supplementary, and alternative options for cancer.
00:00:00 Dr. Kevin Conners https://www.connersclinic.com/
00:03:10 Rife and Electromedicine https://amzn.to/3pZwpcM
00:04:25 Frequencies and electromedicine
00:08:25 Immune system and cancer
00:10:25 The Truth About Cancer https://amzn.to/37s8yfB
00:13:30 Frequencies for different types of cancers
00:16:25 Quality of life
00:17:00 Success rate of traditional medicine
00:18:00 Hoxsey Therapy https://youtu.be/WgJSRu6ySkg
00:18:15 Side effects of chemotherapy
00:19:45 Pharmacratic state against alternatives https://youtu.be/JuLsL3_eBWw
00:25:10 Robin Feldman https://amzn.to/3pVvpXh
00:25:15 Per Bylund https://youtu.be/sWe3Bv5Durc
00:26:10 Can the body fight off cancer?
00:27:10 Conners Clinic
00:30:40 Success of alternatives
00:32:35 Goal is to stop replication
00:35:45 Combined care
00:37:00 Cancer prevention
00:37:10 Avoid toxins
00:40:20 Hormone driven cancer
00:48:40 Ketogenic diet
00:54:28 Things to avoid when you have cancer
00:59:40 Fasting and chemotherapy
01:03:00 Stay calm, do your own research
01:04:00 Spontaneous remission and background rates
Hi, everyone and welcome to the podcast. Today, I’m talking with Doctor Conners. Doctor Conners focuses on finding natural and alternative health treatments to significant diseases like cancer and Lyme disease. Doctor Conners, thanks for being on the show with me today. You bet Aaron.
So, Doctor Conners, the way I found you is I’ve been doing a lot of research on cancer. I’ve been researching alternative treatments to cancer, trying to figure out what’s real, what’s not, and I came across your clinic mostly because your clinic is near me. You work out of a treatment center in Lake Elmo, Minnesota and I downloaded your book and there’s a ton of different stuff in there regarding cancer but before we get to that, can you tell me a little bit about yourself and how you got interested in medicine and cancer in the first place? Well, I graduated as a chiropractor back in nineteen eighty-six.
So, a long time ago, probably before you were born and I was always interested in natural care. Um well, really it really began when I started seeing a chiropractor, kinesiologist, acupuncturist when I was in junior high and then high school, I was active in sports and of course, you hurt yourself. So, my parents, you know, believed in natural approach to care. I’m very thankful for my mother. She was one of the founding people in our local food co-op.
That’s still going very strong today. Um so she taught us at a very young age. We were kind of eating granola and raw nuts when I was fairly young. So she was kind of cutting edge that of just trying to take care of yourself natural and trying to stay off of drugs as much as possible. Not necessarily a anti medicine but trying to be proactive in taking care of yourself. So, going down this approach when I desired to help people and be in the in a practice of medicine was an easy decision for me.
So, I did not graduate thinking I was going to end up having a cancer practice but I did graduate really practicing what is called functional medicine. Today, we didn’t use that terminology back then but I I did a lot of kinesiology saw people with you know hormonal issues and digestive issues and not not quite as much chiropractic type things but a lot of a gut issues and dealing with that so it my practice ended up gravitating towards cancer when in study when I was studying with kinesiology and acupuncture a was very big into nutrition and herbology and one of the things I studied while I was in school was a man named Royal Rife and his work with frequencies.
So, I was always intrigued by frequency medicine and thought and love to incorporate that into my practice at some point in time to the point I was drawn to it and I had picked out the rife machine that I wanted and it wasn’t until in the 90s when a one of my patients came to me and told me she had breast cancer bilaterally and both breasts and she said she was not going to do chemo and or a radiation and they gave her just three months to live.
Well that was my you know big aha moment to buy a rife machine. Long story short she lived another 13 years. So it eventually you know God sent us another cancer patient and another cancer patient and and then we really the writing on the wall that that’s the road we are supposed to go down.
Interesting. Yeah. You know, when I first reached out to you, I thought we would end up talking about different chemicals that are implants that could potentially help with cancer but now you’re talking about frequencies which I’m totally not familiar with at all. Tell me a little bit more about that. What does that mean of frequency and frequency treatments? So, frequency treatment is is what rife technology is.
So, we use chemicals in plants. That’s when we’re using herbology and using different nutraceuticals, you’re really addressing chemistry, body chemistry. So, if you give a person turmeric, you’re using turmeric for a certain reason to change the chemistry of the malou. Wherever that cancer is, try to decrease inflammation. Turmeric can anti cancer properties in itself and we we do that as well but we also use rif technology.
So, Rife was named after Royal Raymond Rife and he theorized back in the 20s and 30s that that if you could hit a cancer cell at its own frequency, you could effectively have positive effects for that patient. So, he believed if he hit a cancer cell at its own frequency, you’d cause cell lysis which is a path logical death of the cell. Um he didn’t have any proof of that but he had success with cancer patients.
So, that’s what he believed how he believed his success which measured that hitting it with zone frequency using a light frequency could cause cell death. I don’t personally believe that hitting the cancer cell with its own frequency is causing cell lisis. We don’t really see evidence of that but I do believe that if you hit a cancer cell with its own frequency, you at least get the immune system to look at it again.
So, we about frequencies this was this was all new information in the early 1900s so we’re moving from Newtonian physics that the smallest particle is electrons neutrons and protons to quantum physics that there was even smaller particles that are simply it’s it’s just energy that’s vibrating at a specific frequency and everything that we know as matter today down to its smallest particles simply energy that’s vibrating at a frequency so if you could hit that thing at its own frequency you will do you can do different things to it you could do damaging things to them but you’re certainly going to cause it to vibrate you can see that evidence in like you’ve seen Ella Fitzgerald send you a note and the and the crystal goblet shatters.
Well, when she hits the frequency of crystal, crystal has a frequency that some people can hit with with a sound wave if they have that voice that could hit that note, that frequency. Well, she didn’t make when when that happens, it doesn’t make a change to the molecular structure of crystal but simply when crystal is blown into a goblet and you hit it with its own frequency, you cause those molecules to vibrate and then they don’t hold that structure of that goblet anymore and it shatters but if you looked at it under an electron microscope, it’s still crystal molecules that just because they vibrated when when they were resonated with their own frequency, they couldn’t hold the structure that it was blown into as a goblet any longer.
So, you didn’t actually change the crystal itself. It’s still molecularly crystal but you caused it to vibrate. So, when you hit anything with its frequency, you’re going to at least cause it to vibrate and I believe that there there’s literally dozens of theories on how rif technology affects cancer cells and healthy cells and such and there’s books written on that by people that are much smarter than I am.
So, I’m just a clinician. So, my belief in seeing how rife technology works with cancer and other diseases is that it it the very least it causes it to vibrate and one of the problems that we see when you’re trying fight cancer. Cancer is your own cells. So, your immune system is not going to be attracted to kill it because it is your own cells.
What cancer is is something got inside of one cell causing it to go into rapid replication and now you have cells that are rapidly replicated but they’re still self cells. So, breast cancer is made up of breast tissue cells. So, your immune system is not supposed to attack and destroy self tissue and it’s one of the reasons why your immune system doesn’t kill cancer all the time is because it recognizes it as self tissue and that it doesn’t destroy it so if you can hit the cancer its own frequency cause it to vibrate it looks differently your immune system is going to at least take a second or third or fourth look at it and you can effectively if that person has a healthy enough immune system be able to get the immune system to start attacking it and destroying it so that’s that’s at least one theory on how rife works or why rife works and I believe it’s a big one because we see when people have a seriously diminished immune system for whatever reason rife tends not to work as well so we never use rife alone we also use chemistry so like you mentioned earlier we use different nutraceuticals to help stimulate an immune response as well so if you could Couple that with the rife and with diet and attitude changes and prayer and things we believe you’re going to have the best results.
Interesting. So you talked I mean you know now that the more you talked about it I think I did hear this therapy mentioned in a book called The Truth About Cancer which I read recently and and I kind of dismissed it because I thought that sounds kind of crazy but as you’re talking it’s coming back to me a little bit and what do you what does it mean when you say hit the cancer with a own frequency.
How do you know what frequency something is at? That’s that can be difficult so different different cancers there are some known frequencies for different cancers so that has been mapped out matter of fact when when Rife technology was burgeoning and Royal Rife was using his technology and it was becoming more popular he was not a clinician he was a scientist but clinician did send their difficult patients to them to get treat to him to get treated.
People, clinicians that knew about him. Um patients that they weren’t having success with, they would send him to Rife. The University of Southern California School of Medicine sent some terminal cancer patients to Rife and he had some documented success with those patients but that was right at the time of history that pharmaceuticals were really taking over and taking over the treatment certainly taking over treatment modality in in the realm of cancer treatment in the early 1950s the American Medical Association went on a rampage to destroy any practitioner that was using herbology or any other therapy other than pharmaceuticals and this is very well documented in history and they shut down hoxy clinics and they shut down Max Gerson and they shut down Royal Rife as well and then his technology was claimed and tried to utilize in during the Cold War by the Defense Department and the Defense Department actually mapped out quantum physics frequencies of a lot of diseases and that is opened knowledge now.
A person could Google rife frequencies for diseases and you could come up with a document that as many long with different frequencies that can affect different diseases. Um now some. Okay. Common misconceptions that I like to clarify when we talk about rife is there’s a lot of maybe misinformation about rife technology that’s out there. Uh some people will say, I just need the frequency for prostate cancer. So, I could use a rife machine and it could destroy my prostate cancer.
Well, it just doesn’t work that way and there isn’t just one frequency for prostate cancer and one frequency for breast cancer. There’s literally hundreds of frequencies that can effectively affect a cancer.
A growing cancer. So, you need to have a type of machine that you can program in those hundreds of different frequencies that can help your body attack that cancer and rife technology is not a magic wand or a magic bullet that’s going to destroy cancer. It’s not something that the AMA shut down because it had 100% efficacy and they wanted to make all their money in pharmaceuticals and so they didn’t want rife to be used.
There’s some truth to that. They didn’t want anything else to be used but pharmaceuticals. That’s why goodness sakes Max Gerson was simply using diet and very few nutritional things at that time. There wasn’t a lot known about supplements at that time. It wasn’t a lot available on the market. He was mainly using juicy and diet and coffee enemies and detoxification. They shut him down.
So yes, there was a lot of greed involved but there is a misconcept out there I think in the public thinking that there is a a secret cancer cure that the the pharmaceuticals is hiding and doesn’t want you to know about well if there is a perfect secret cancer cure that the pharmaceutical companies in hiding doesn’t want us to know what. I don’t know about it either.
So it’s not known. It doesn’t nobody knows what that is. Certainly a nutritional approach and using herbs and using nutraceuticals and using rife is very effective but it is not a magic wand and it is not going to cure everybody now in that same breath we’ve seen miracles in our office where people who were given just weeks to live lived you know 348 more years but that does not always happen so and it’s very it it’s almost impossible to do a study like okay whether you know chemotherapy is the right way to go or a natural approach is the right way to go.
I mean literally you could have ten people that do chemotherapy for their colon cancer. Five of them have success and live you know for 10 years and five of them you know don’t have success and die. But you could say the same thing with natural care too.
Certainly we don’t have you know these you know 100% success stories by any stretch of the imagination. It just isn’t it just isn’t there. So, you know, you just you try to give people the best quality of life throughout their care and they have to weigh that out. There’s times that chemotherapy is the right thing to do. There’s certainly times surgery is the right thing to do. Certainly times radiation is the right thing to do but it doesn’t mean that that’s the only thing to do for a person.
That’s that’s my argument with the practice of medicine and pharmacology is that they don’t give people other options and especially it it makes me even more frustrated with cancers that have such a poor success rate by their own admission. Let’s say you have pancreatic cancer. 7% five-year success rate. Goodness sakes. Why are you still doing harsh harsh chemo on pancreatic cancer when you have a 7% five-year success rate? Okay, by any stretch of the imagination, that that’s some I hate to say that.
That’s you know but it’s just it’s horrible. Um why aren’t you telling people to hey why don’t you try diet? Why don’t you try you know different nutraceuticals? Maybe we couple them together and would we get a better success rate? Um it’s it’s to me that’s to me that that is malpractice. That’s not just sad anymore. Um but that is criminal. When you are talking people out of doing other things that could improve their odds or at least improve their health so that they have less side effects doing the chemotherapy that you’re advocating but no you we we all all the time we hear oncologist that tell patients oh don’t do anything else while we’re doing chemotherapy we don’t want anything to interrupt the success of our chemotherapy oh let’s look at your success rate of chemotherapy it’s horrible for certain types of cancers and then you’re telling people not to try to mitigate the side effects of of the chemotherapy except by using your anti nausea drugs and some steroids to help decrease inflammation.
That to me is that to me is not being a doctor anymore. You’re not really caring for the patient anymore thinking of their best in in the circumstances. You’re just like following a protocol that a pharmaceutical company has written and it’s that’s it’s really sad.
Yeah. Yeah. Man, there’s a there’s a lot to impact there. I mean, as I’ve been researching more of trying to expand into some alternative treatments to see what else is out there before besides just the conventional treatments. I I did come across some of the therapies you mentioned like the Hoxy Therapy. I’m reading his autobiography and it’s just if if there’s any truth to this autobiography, it’s incredible because the amount of pushback that he got from mainstream and the federal government just trying to close the doors on his 17 clinics that by many accounts were having some success with his herbal treatments and tonics and things like that.
I mean it reminds me of some of the stuff that’s going that’s been going on with COVID in the past two years where people want to try alternative treatments but our our government is just so opposed to people having the autonomy to try things for themselves and see what they want to use. It’s almost like used to a theocratic state where you can only practice one religion.
Now, we have the pharmaceutical state and and you have to practice the the dogmatic pharmaceutical religion that they that they deem appropriate. I don’t know. Does does You said it best. Does it seem like that too? It does get. It it really it’s it is a religious thing almost because it is literally you’re following the pharmaceutical gods that are out there in Nowhereland and you’re following the protocol.
I I had a patient once. This is kind of funny story and a patient listens this. I hope I don’t botch this story too bad but this person was came to us was using a rife at home and she she came back for another visit. She was actually multiple states away but she came back for another visit about six months later and she goes, oh you’re going to love this story.
Uh we’re having our kitchen redone and I have my wife out in the living room and you could see the kitchen from where I was at and the guy the carpenter who was fixing my kitchen goes is that a rife machine and my patient said oh my gosh I’ve never known anybody knew what a rife machine looks like yeah how did how did you know she was and the guy said well I’m a medical doctor and she goes you’re a medical doctor and you’re fixing my kitchen you know and he goes oh yeah I met a medical doctor for I don’t know a dozen years or something but I quit when I was going through medical school my dad is a carpenter and I was working with him as a carpenter and he me the trade but I always wanted to be a doctor but I quit a couple years ago.
I just couldn’t take it anymore and she said, well, what happened? He said, well, we we used to have these in services by pharmaceutical reps and we used to get scolded by the reps and the head of our our medical department would come in and they would yell at us doctors because they had it down to a science that if you took lipitor, let’s say, for decreasing your cholesterol, they had it down to a science that they knew 67% of the patients on Lipitor would have this side effect.
So, therefore, you need to prescribe this drug and we know that 22% will have this side effect so you should prescribe this drug. So, we used to get yelled at because we don’t have 67% of our patients who are prescribed Lipitor on that second drug and we don’t have nearly the 2% on the third drug so we would get yelled at it’s like I was this isn’t the practice of medicine anymore they just want me to be a pharmaceutical technician and I just couldn’t do this anymore I said forget it I’ll go back to carpentry and I respect that person’s I never met that doctor but I so much respect a person that will stand up for what’s right instead of being a pawn or you know just you know a manipulent manipulated individual in this religion of pharmacology that is known as the practice of medicine.
I mean people think that doctors have autonomy to make decisions. We found out during COVID that that’s not true. They have to prescribe Remdesivir that literally shuts down people’s kidneys and kills them and then we call it a COVID death. That’s a whole other story and how they’ve just literally murdered people in the hospital. And now you got doctors and nurses who appraised as as you know the you know the saints who work here and you know at the hospitals and we’re literally killing people because they were doing what pharmaceutical told them to do and yet it’s that it’s just it’s just criminal.
I mean hopefully someday we live as people long enough to to look back at this time in history and shake our heads at the criminality that has been going on. Um personally I don’t have a lot of hope that that’s going to take place and but it’s we do see that in the practice of a medicine with with oncology for sure and I’m not saying that there’s not great doctors out there who really care for their patients and great nurses who really love their patients.
They are. Um they’re out there and great oncologists who really love their patients and we run into some but when when oncologists and doctors and nurses refuse to look at other possibilities could help their patients. To me they’re not being a doctor anymore. And at very least shame on them for not really carried enough for their patient to try to do what’s in their best interest instead of instead of just all you read is what the pharmaceutical company gave you in their in their their lecture this week.
Um instead of looking at any other studies that are out there. It’s just it’s very sad.
Yeah yeah I know some there’s some critics like Robin Feldman and parabyland or who argue that a lot of the reason for the reason that they that the pharmaceutical model is pushed so much is because that’s the model that can make the most money because of patents and that if patents didn’t if the government didn’t hand out patents which gives you a government approved monopoly on a market there would be more interest in looking at other methods of treatment that involve non-patentable like herbs and vitamins and things like that.
I I know with Hoxy at least from his book, he saw his therapy as a type of chemotherapy. He thought that the medicine that was in the herbs that he was giving was actually very strong and that it was in some way helping to heal, helping the body’s own natural mechanism to heal itself. You know, one thing I’ve read from a lot reading a lot of these natural books on cancer is that there’s this idea that the body can fight off cancer on its own and if you give it the right the appropriate stimulation to build up a strong immune system.
Do you think there’s truth to that? Well, there’s obvious tooth that because you probably have cancer right now and every single listener does as well. Your your the cells that you have are you have mutated cells, you have cells that are in rapid replication and your body is killing them and knocking them down then hopefully you’ll never get a diagnosis of cancer. So, your body is doing that.
So, it’s if you give your body the you know the best ability to fight off cancer then you have the best chance of winning that battle so that’s constantly taking place and Hoxy’s thought that he was using herbs as a chemotherapy maybe we wouldn’t call it a chemotherapy today in our terminology because we are so programmed to think that chemotherapy is the poison that it is that we describe it as as a pharmaceutical agent but true natural care is chemotherapy.
It is changing the body’s chemistry. That’s what it is. That’s what what nutraceuticals do as well. So, in that sense, in that definition of the word is a chemotherapy for sure.
So, what happens when someone comes to your clinic? Uh is it is it totally individualized? Do you have you know, a step program that most people follow or what happens when someone in your door.
But we don’t have as many people walking through our door anymore physically. Um that’s one of the things that COVID has changed for us. We always had a distance program. We always saw people at a distance meeting over the phone over Skype at one time now over Zoom. Um and because of the nature of our practice we see people from literally all over the world.
So that sense of distance care is how we practice. But to be specific we believe everybody is unique so you could have a twin brother and both of you have prostate cancer in our mind it it doesn’t make any difference you’re both going to be treated uniquely so we get we do specific testing in our office and you and your twin brother could have a completely different protocol so it is that’s how we work now not everybody that communicates to us or downloads our books because all by I have is a free download on our website there we can’t see everybody and not everybody can afford to come to us and truthfully not everybody needs to come to us a lot of people are very good at self care so that’s why I you know I believe that as I learn something my responsibility is to try to then convert that into a language that that most people can understand that they could take that information and then maybe they can utilize that information without needing me.
Um we’re not trying to create unhealthy dependency on us. We’re trying to educate people so that they can self care and they can self doctor as much as they can. If they need us and we they want to utilize us then we act as their coach and we test them and we get as specific as possible with everything that we do.
Um but we give away all our information as far as all our knowledge and our books and our videos and everything so that people can make choices take care of themselves if they if they can do that as well. Um but everybody is unique and I think you need to treat yourself as unique. Um I try to give as many clues in our books of different supplements that can be good for different cancers.
Um but you’re if you don’t have a way to test that then you’re going to have to either pray about it or meditate on it or however you’re going to come up with your decision what protocol to use because there’s a lot of different protocols out there. So So, do you see the types of therapy that you provide as adjuncts to conventional therapy for cancers or have you ever had anyone who’s been in complete remission from say a tumor that was palpable? Uh has it ever gone away just with the type of therapy that you provide or do you need to combine conventional and this alternative way of looking at it? So, Hunter, when we talk about kids care on our website we’re have to be very careful with our how we how we handle our language.
Because from a legal medical legal standpoint the only people in this country that can treat cancer is an oncologist. So we don’t treat cancer. And it you know it’s not we’re not just saying that to protect ourselves in truth. We don’t we’re not treating cancer anyhow. We’re treating a person. So the cancer is cells that are gone awry and are in a rapid state of replication so you got this growing cell mass because of something so if you could do your best to treat them because of something then you can help that person overcome this and help that person’s immune system be able to kill this and for that cancer to stop growing now you may mention that can you make a cancer here like can you just make that mask go away? That’s really not the that’s really not what we’re trying to do and I don’t and we try to tell patients that’s not what you really need to happen.
You just need the cells to stop replicating. You don’t need the immune system or your lymph system to clear it away. That’s not even necessary. We just need to not to get it to stop replicating. So if that mask stays in your breast as you know a grape size mask for the next 30 years You just gotta be okay with that.
Um if it stays a grape-sized mass for the next, you know, six months to a year, it’s not replicating anymore, you know? It stayed that same size. If it could, if each one of those cells continue to replicate at that same rate, it would be, you know, would be growing exponentially larger over time. Um and if it stops or it starts to decrease that rate of replication, that mass is going to stay the same size or grow slower and slower and slower.
That’s really what we want. That’s really what the is it’s not really to make it go away so if you can get people to understand that they go okay now I get that I now I understand that to get back to your original question yes we have patients that come to us that don’t want to do any standards of care it’s they just don’t usually those are patients that maybe you really grew up very alternative minded or their patients and we’ve experienced a lot of patients that have had family members with really bad experiences going standards of care so they they have very adverse taste in their mouth about doing any chemotherapy radiation or surgery because they saw their mom had breast cancer too and you know she was you know dead in a year matter of fact my first cancer patient ever back in the late 90s that was her comment she said she nursed her friend through chemo and she died a horrible death and she said I’m not going that route so there’s just no way I’m going that route she just had that in her mind well praise god she did it she lived another 13 years so and again I don’t take the credit do I think the rife helped her absolutely do I think the nutrition helped her for sure but her body did it so her body gets the credit she gets the credit not me but it’s so we’ve had patients not go any standards of care and do fantastic we’ve had patients that a lot of our patients have failed standards of care that’s why they’re seeking us out so especially in years gone by people didn’t think about an alternative approach when they heard you have cancer you know they only thought about an alternative approach when they heard you have cancer we’re going to do this this and this they go through that course of action and then the doctor says well there’s nothing else we can do it’s time to call hospice and get your affairs in order then they call us so still that’s the largest percentage of our patients but we are getting more people that are getting their eyes open to the truth about the pharmaceutical industry and that maybe they’re not given always other options and they’re they’re slowing down when they hear those words you have cancer and they’re starting to do some research and they’re starting to say, well, maybe there’s another way and may I could combine that other way with a percentage of standards of care that I’m comfortable with maybe I’m not comfortable with you know doing a lumpectomy and then radiation and then chemotherapy maybe I’m only comfortable with doing a lumpectomy and I’ll save radiation and chemotherapy for down the road if I need it I’ll keep it in my back pocket so I just want to combine standards of care to a certain degree and add alternative care that I’m with and I think that’s really when you have really good results and so people are trying to to merge wisdom in their decision making process and not surrendering all their personal power to their oncologist because they’re so scared so I think the more educated people are the less scared of of serious diseases you are and then you have the ability to a wiser decision.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Are there common things that you would advise healthy people to do to try to prevent cancer? There’s definitely things that you can do to prevent cancer when you look at what some of the most common causes of cancer so some of the most common causes of cancer are environmental toxins so pesticides and herbicides and chemicals such as that you can’t avoid completely even if you’re going to eat all organic you still eat out even if you’re eating organic restaurants you you still have cross contamination of pesticides and herbicides and chemicals that you just can’t get away from your you might not spray your yard with Roundup but your neighbor does and you know residues are in our drinking water and we are so poisoned in this world because of environmental toxins that even if you lived your life perfectly you’re still exposed to those things.
But it is cumulative. These things are cumulative. So the more you could do to help you know clean up your diet the better off you’re going to be. Um the more you could do to help support detoxification pathways the better off you’re going to be. I just finished one of my latest books is the seven phases of detox and I recommend everybody read it it’s a free download on our website like all our books are that explains you know just things that you could do the average person could do even if you don’t have a lot of money just to support your detox pathways because you’re you’re going to be toxified if that’s a term you’re going to be exposed to poisons you need to support your liver and support your organs of detoxification to get this stuff out as fast as possible and that’s problem going to be your best preventative thing to do.
Okay. There’s other things with hormonal driven cancers that that especially women should be aware of. Uh things that are estrogen disruptors like plastics and things to eliminate and then just other obvious environmental things that you like clean up your house. Stop using Lysol spray. Stop using you know things chemicals in your house. Um your clean products, your laundry detergent, you you could do things without going completely crunchy crazy, you know, and and just changing some buying habits that okay, instead of buying Tide, I’m going to buy, you know, a more organic laundry detergent, you know, just still to reach for something on the shelf. Just make some more educated decisions and you’re going to you could help yourself and your children in a in a great way.
Okay. What about, you know, you mentioned organic but I I’m also thinking about certain foods like soy may have certain estrogens in em that could potentially be bad. Are there even though you get organic soy, would that still be bad? Are there are there pitfalls like that that we need to watch out for? Yup. So, even organic soy, that’s going to be an estrogen disruptor because it’s a phytoestrogen. So, especially women with breast cancer that are going to be more prone to hormonally-driven cancers have to be aware that so there they need to be aware of that whole classification as well and then there’s some different nutritional things that you could take so every women probably should be on a product that will help pull out bad estrogens and there’s products like dim and I3 C and chrysin and different herbal bark products that will help pull out these bad estrogens that can be can help lead to cancer.
So, because no matter what you do, you’re not going to eat soy anymore. You’re not going to drink soy milk anymore. Good idea but you’re still exposed to a lot of estrogen disruptors in our environment that that you just can’t get away from.
Yeah. One thing I’ve been hearing a lot about through research and reading is trying to do things in your body that will up regulate things like autophagy and apoptosis, basically recycling of the cells so that they’re kind of your body’s cleaning out old cells, getting rid of cells that aren’t functioning optimally and things like fasting could potentially be helpful with that. Do you ever utilize fasting or recommended for healthy people? Yep and I talk of that a lot about fasting in my Cancer book, Stop Fighting Cancer and I talk about it a lot in this new book the seven-phase of detoxification because you’re exactly right fasting is a great way to up regulate autophagy and to just to help your take pressure off of your liver and your kidneys so your liver and your kidneys can get full and and then can’t do their job in phase one phase two detoxification in the liver so if you can take pressure off and I mean the truth is in this country we all eat way too many calories and and I know fasting isn’t scary for a lot of people because oh my goodness I’ll starve to death but you can you can start small by practicing time restricted eating or intermittent fasting so you’re just like okay maybe we’re going to start with one day a week maybe on Mondays I’m not going to eat till two o’clock in the afternoon I’m going to skip breakfast and lunch and not eat till two o’clock in the afternoon oh I can do that then maybe next Monday you’re going to eat not eat till four so time restricted eating is you you’re restricting your eating window to only X amount of hours per day.
Maybe it’s going to be eight hours a day that you’re eating to begin with but you hopefully want to get down to where maybe you’re only eating four hours a day and it’s and that would certainly wouldn’t be every day of the week. Maybe you do it one day of the week. That you do it maybe two days of the week. Then maybe you’d get to be doing it 3 days of the week and and that’s all.
That that alone could be extremely healthy for a person. It’s gives their their body a rest, their detoxification pathways a rest kind of gives them a chance to get caught up. Um it helps your body start metabolizing wastes better. It helps your lymph system get caught up and and getting rid of wastes in the extra cellular spaces. It just can take a lot of pressure off of your body.
It can really help with blood sugar balances and things. It’s it’s can be just amazing. So, that’s probably one of the best ways to start really cleaning out is to do that and do that on a regular basis there’s different apps you can put on your phone and different things I have one on my phone a fasting app that I just said okay tomorrow I’m not I finished eating today at eight I hit fasting on that and that just gives me incentive to I’m not going to eat till I get home tomorrow at five o’clock or six o’clock well I just fasted for you know 22 hours that’s great you know so that kind of motivation be beneficial.
Yeah yeah since I learned more about fasting I tried it and I and I kind of thought to myself that I would do it once a month couple weeks ago I did a 24 hour fast but I noticed as I I was going to try to go for 48 hours, but I noticed as I was getting closer to bedtime that I was finding it really hard to sleep while still being hungry do you for anyone who wants to try more than 24 hours do you have any advice for fasting during the time when you when you’re sleeping and and hungry and thinking about food while you’re going to bed.
Yeah so you know people you know I talk to people that all the time that have fasted you know for many days and such it’s not always beneficial so you gotta remember just like vitamin C you know too much of a good thing can be a bad thing too or even water or anything so we go for our cancer patients we do not recommend that they fast over 24 hours because it can have some possible negative effects for cancer.
It increases IGF 1 levels and such which you don’t necessarily want with cancer. Now, that can be very beneficial for people without cancer but also you look like a pretty thin guy. Um you don’t want to be fasting more than 24 hours if you don’t really have a lot of weight to play with to lose because too much autophagy can be damaging to your cells too. So, everything, every process in your body is a balance.
So, everybody thinks, oh gotta get on antioxidants, right? Well, you we probably all have a deficiency in antioxidants but you need oxidative pathways too to destroy pathogens. So, everything is a balance. You know, oxidation isn’t just all a bad guy. You know, it’s that you you need that balance between those things. So, you have to be careful of that. So, the biggest thing I say with fasting with people is you start slow and you work up.
Um if you’re that sounds like a great idea. I gotta do fasting if is jump into a 24 hour fast that could be harmful to your body too we you do have to check your blood sugars and you do if you’re going to do any kind of fasting of any length of time you you really want to get some supervision because you don’t want to go into a state of hypoglycemia and that can be an issue too especially if you have blood sugar handling issues so doing it slowly working up to something is is an important thing there’s also a product out there called fasting mimicking diet that is extremely safe to use so people don’t have any ill effects of fasting doing what’s called the fasting mimicking diet that was produced by a PHD researcher out of I think it was USC School of Medicine or something like that but there’s a book out on fasting mimicking diet but that’s a product that you buy you’d follow for five days and you so you’re not actually in a true fast but you’re in a low caloric intake so your is mimicking a fast and you can get most of the benefits from a fast without any really of the negative side effects that you could get with blood sugar issues with the fast.
Yeah, you know, I I I like what you said there about that there’s like an optimal level for everything because I think it’s that way with a lot of nutrients. You know, it’s kind of they kind of follow like a U-shaped curve where you’re getting a lot of benefit at first say if you start taking some vitamins that you were deficient in but if you take too much then it starts to the benefit declines and it can eventually be negative if if you take too much.
I know one thing I think about that is there’s a lot of interest in the ketogenic diet as it to cancer and one thing I I was concerned about with that is that if you’re not eating carbs well your body uses carbs to produce things like reactive oxygen species which help destroy pathogens and things like that and it also uses carbs to create mucus and your mucus membranes which helps defend against pathogens so I think everything has to be individualized and kind of optimize for each person like you were saying earlier as well yeah we totally agree I know there’s some books out there that say every cancer patient should be on a ketogenic diet I wholeheartedly disagree with that that is I know somebody who’s practicing physician taking care of people with cancer for more than 20 years that is just totally not true yeah it makes good reading and it was written by a scientist but not by a physician who actually treats cancer patients there’s cancers that are fed directly through glycolysis and that is their main fuel source and maybe a keto-like diet or a full ketogenic diet can be very beneficial but there’s other cancers that are fed and cancers can change their fuel source even if they’re fed through glycolysis and you go on a keto-like diet two months later it changes its fuel source to mainly an amino acids fuel source and now you’re basically feeding the cancer so So it has to be individualized.
You cannot just go well this is what I read in this book so this is what I’m going to follow. Um that’s might not be right for you. It could be but it might not be. It might be the wrong diet for you. So you you do want to eat at least experiment in that if you don’t have somebody to test for that.
But there’s ways to kind of test your body through different diets as well.
Yeah are there any main nutrients? I know you talked a lot about the frequency therapy but are there any nutrients in general that people should be taking if they have cancer? Um I know like Linus Pauline, he he was big into vitamin C and reading his book, he actually has a lot of studies to back up a lot of the things that he says but is there anything in particular that comes to mind that people in general should be taking if they get a diagnosis with cancer? Well, I definitely have my favorites.
So, if anybody’s read any of my stuff, mushrooms are my favorite, polysaccharides are my favorite, one of my favorites and you get polysaccharides really cancer-killing polysaccharides, immune boosting polysaccharides from the mushroom family and from the aloe family. Um so, those have helped a lot of our patients. Um there’s different other herbs too like the the herbs that are in hoxy that that you mentioned earlier that which are very similar to the herbs that are in Essiac those products can be very beneficial for cancer patients and so those are going to be good immune regulating immune stimulating to get your to wake up your immune system to help be able to fight cancer and then really working on detoxification pathways.
Uh calming your sympathetic nervous system and stimulating your parasympathetic nervous system. Those are all great tools if you’re in you know, if you hear that you got a cancer diagnosis.
Wow, a a lot to think about there. What about I’ve heard mistletoe mentioned a lot in natural therapies. Do you use that? We don’t use that because it’s more of an invasive therapy and we have to be careful just with our scope of practice but mistletoe is an immune stimulation because it just fires up the immune system kind of like it’s almost like a toxin.
So, I don’t know if you’ve heard of Kohli’s toxins before that Doctor Coley created a mixture of toxins which he’d injected a person which would stimulate this immune reaction which there wasn’t enough of any specific bacteria that would cause a serious illness from that bacterial infection but it was enough to to cause an immune stimulation. Um similar to bee sting therapy, you know, you cause enough of an immune stimulation that it fires an immune response by your body.
Um that’s kind of what miss how mistletoe works. So, mistletoe injections cause typically done in the belly and there titrated up over time cause a redness and an inflammatory reaction at the site of of of injection you can do mistletoe IVs as well causes this inflammatory response still that person needs to to have a healthy enough immune response so using things like mushrooms and other immune stimulation like vitamin C and different things like that will help build that up as well but mistletoe could be a a good therapy for cancer as well yes are there anything that people who are doing conventional treatments like chemotherapy should avoid as far as natural products go because I mean there are natural products that are very potent and powerful it is anything come to mind well you have to understand the chemistry of chemotherapy so chemotherapy is an oxidizing agent so technically chemotherapy is a poison but hopefully you’re dosing it in a such a way that you’re not going to kill the patient that it will be taken up by the cancer because the cancer is more highly metabolic so you could think of it as the cancer is hungrier than other cells so if you’re going to poison the body the hungrier cells are going to gobble up that poison first and they’re going to be first to die that’s why people with chemotherapy have death to other cells in their body that are also naturally highly metabolic so the cancer is more highly metabolic meaning it’s hungrier but so are your hair follicles they reproduce more rapidly that’s why your hair grows in a month and you have to get your haircut so there it’s it’s highly metabolic your hair follicles are so as your immune system your immune system those cells reproduce much more rapid than than a normal cell does.
So, your immune system is negatively affected by the chemotherapy. That’s why people that are doing chemotherapy have to get a white blood cell CBC test to make sure that their white blood cell count is not too low and you give the person chemotherapy and you kill them. Um but if it’s too low then they give you a different shot that will boost up your white blood cells so they can give you the chemotherapy tomorrow hopefully.
Um so when you do chemotherapy is a poison. It’s an oxidizing agent and I don’t say that to degrade chemotherapy. It just is. Um and it will kill your hair follicles. It will kill your immune system but hopefully it will be taken up more readily by the cancer than by healthy cells so that it will kill the cancer before it will kill your healthy cells.
Really chemotherapy does its work within the first 48 hours on the cancer cells and then you one try to get rid of it. So, knowing that it’s an oxidizing agent really to when we suggest to our patients, if they’re getting chemotherapy infusions, we tell them, don’t take any antioxidants or anything that’s a real strong antioxidant during that forty-eight-hour window. So, I’m going in for an infusion of chemotherapy at 9 o’clock Monday morning.
I’ve been done at noon. So, I leave the clinic goodbye at noon from noon on Monday til noon on Wednesday. Don’t take any strong antioxidant it.
You’re not going to take your vitamin C. You’re not going to take your alpha lopaic acid. You’ll probably lay off your curcumin. You’re also not going to want to try to detoxify this too quickly for those 48 hours. I want it to stay in my system. So you’re not going to be doing coffee enemas at that time. You’re not going to be doing milk thistle and dandelion root that’s going to help you detoxify.
Now there’s different schools of thought. So there’s other alternative practitioners say fool you on that we need to get this out of your body but in my mind it’s like okay if you’re going to take the chemotherapy if you’re choosing to do that we want it to work so I say lay off of that for 48 hours now your oncologist going to say don’t take anything we’re going to do chemotherapy don’t you dare take anything throughout this whole course of treatment six months from now you can do whatever you want when we’re all done and we have you cured I say that is absolutely criminal to think that way so I Um you know, yeah, if you if you could show me that your chemotherapy has 100% efficacy on your patients and they’re all going to be cured at six months and by all means, go for it then we’ll work on detoxifying their body in six months but you can’t because it’s not true and we can look up your five-year survival rate on your cancer and if it’s anything less than a hundred percent, then, you better be doing some other things too to help improve your odds but I will go, okay, we can think about this objectively and not be dogmatically positioned as an alternative practitioner too and if we do want the chemotherapy to work it’s let’s lay off the antioxidants for the time that the chemotherapy is really doing its best effect on the cancer then after that let’s get it out of your body so it doesn’t destroy your healthy cells and let’s support your cells and your healthy cells and your immune system to get that built back up that’s going to be your best effect and and there’s other things that you can do if you’re going to do chemotherapy that aren’t even alternative just by fasting doing a 24-hour fast prior to chemotherapy infusions you’re going to greatly improve your odds in the chemotherapy working and having less ill effects in the chemotherapy think of that you can put a like into a cartoon you’re basically starving your cancer cells for 24 hours and they’re like super hungry now then we’re going to of chemotherapy they’re going to be pushing everything else out of the way give me this give me this give me this and you’re going to have better results with chemotherapy that’s done other medical study so you could search that but doing it 24 hour and some people even say 48 hour fast prior to chemotherapy could even really reduce side effects of chemotherapy and really help the efficacy of the chemotherapy as well yeah I I came across that study that you mentioned there well I was searching on Palm Med and yeah they had they had fast the day before getting chemo, the day of chemo, and then the day after and they said that they felt better and they it worked better and they had less side effects which was really strange.
I mean, a three-day fasting itself is would seem to be difficult enough but I I guess that that’s what that study shown.
Yeah. It was like I think if I remember it it’s like 50% decrease in side effects. So you can’t argue with that. I mean it’s like okay why aren’t the oncologists telling their patients this? It just it just blows my mind that they don’t read their own journals. Um and you know anybody could do a Google scholar search on something like curcumin. You know which is the active form of turmeric.
And you’ll see literally hundreds of article saying turmeric’s efficacy with cancer patients. It’s you know when when when oncologist tells the doctor tells a patient that you shouldn’t be doing any of that dog sense alternative stuff. There’s no research behind it. There’s there’s way more research behind nutritional support for cancer than there is pharmaceutical support for cancer. You look at any research article on a chemotherapy. It’s only comparing this chemotherapy with a different chemotherapy.
It’s never comparing chemotherapy with the person doing nothing. Let alone doing an alternative approach. That study will never get published because they’re afraid of the results I think. Um they’re only publishing articles that are showing that are comparing one chemostherapy regimen to another chemotherapy regimen and okay that that is to me that’s not science. So to say that there’s no science that backs alternative care you know you just need to say could you give me the science that backs your care compared to doing something alternative and and then I’ll believe you you know let’s throw some some colds on the fire and and let’s see so you know do your own research my my biggest my biggest comment to patients my biggest piece of advice to people when they hear they have cancer is to just slow cancers that you know that if you are just diagnosed with cancer it’s been growing in your body for a long time at least years you have at least a little bit of time between your diagnosis and you going and rushing off and getting a port in so that you could start chemotherapy next week to do some research and to to decide not that chemotherapy is not the right way for you I’m not saying that but at least do some research on things that you could couple with that or that you might want to try for and it there there’s a lot of hooey out there but there’s a lot of really good information out there if you are apt enough to dig on Google Scholar and things you’re going to find some good research that backs some natural things.
So, it it will do nothing but help you improve your odds even if you decide to do everything that standards of care tells you to do.
Yeah, that’s you know, you mentioned there that the what what that they don’t when they do these studies on chemotherapy, they don’t compare it to doing nothing or doing an alternative medicine type approach and as I was reading the alternative medicine type approaches, something that was going through my mind is that what is the natural background rate if a person just does nothing of spontaneous cures of people just getting better, their immune systems, maybe overcoming it on its own or maybe the cancer just stops growing on its own for whatever reason.
Are there natural background rates that people will just get better on their own if they do nothing? Well, there’s certainly plenty of stories about that. You could read stories of people that just decided, okay, my doctor said, I have, you know, stage four lung cancer and I, he wants me to do chemo and this and that stuff and he still said I’m going to die in three to six months.
Um I decided, forget it. I’m not doing anything I’m just going to live my life and enjoy life and they don’t do any alternative either and they live five years. So, you know, for for people for for physicians to claim that they know what’s going to happen is the worst thing you could say to a patient. You don’t know and it’s the it’s the patients that that literally just said, you know, forget this.
I’m going to go enjoy my life that tend to have better results and you could point to all sorts of of possibilities with that. They they overcame that that neurological sympathetic approach of fear and they just said, okay, well, I’m done with this. I gotta go a different way or you know, they just changed their stress level. They quit their job. They moved back to their homeland or whatever it was.
They made some changes that shocked their system enough to to be able to fight this disease off. So, you know, throughout the years, I’ve often that said, wow, you know, I’m not so proud to think that maybe the success that we’ve had as a clinic is at least in part of from keeping giving people another choice other than just thinking that they have to do chemotherapy.
Maybe the success that we’ve had is just because we’ve kept people from doing chemotherapy. Um and and it really had nothing to do with anything we did. I don’t know. You know how how do you measure that? I don’t know. Maybe maybe people get better coming to us just because they’ve been given hope. For goodness sakes is that worth it? I’ve ever seen an article in the AMA Journal.
This was back in the 90s and it was saying this is when the when the medical professional was bashing chiropractic constantly right? This is war against chiropractic. And they there was a literally a serious article that said the only reason chiropractors are getting their patients better is because they love them.
Hm. I thought just thought for goodness sakes what would you rather do? Would you rather go medical route and not get better because they’re following science here which I rather go an alternative route and get better because the doctor loves you. Yeah. Yeah. We were using that as a as a cut, you know? Right. It’s like, oh my gosh. It’s like, okay, I guess we’ll just keep loving people back to health and you think that’s a bad thing.
Uh you know, that’s not scientific. Well, we have learned in the last couple of years the the fallacy of quote following science. Um it’s it’s nothing more than following the propaganda that’s trying to lead you down a pathway of destruction and the truth is it’s been like that for a long time. So yes, I am not so proud to think that oh we have all the answers and and that maybe it’s really none of our answers.
It’s just giving people hope beyond what they’ve been given that that enables them to live longer, happier lives. Hey, I’m okay with that. So I don’t need the credit I we don’t take any credit and we believe that anything that we do to to help influence a person to be able to make better decisions and that they could live happier healthier lives their body gets the credit god gets the credit it’s not our credit to take anyhow so yeah yeah well Doctor Conners I think that’s a good spot for us to end is there anything else you wanted to mention before we end the call Nope.
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